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Peter Morrow (Guest) |
20/08/2025 19:51 |
It's been a while since a posted here, but it's been interesting to continue following the social and political developments, and the flags issue is a particular note of interest. In many of my previous contributions I tried highlighting how developments on the 'Mainland' were becoming increasingly similar to home near Belfast -and now with the flags, it's exactly the same - and so predictable.
It's the 'Ulsterisation' of your religion and politics, and I can only say what I have said previously: the Church in Britain needs a better answer than 'patriotism' and 'we're a Christian nation' - and you need it quickly.
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21/08/2025 22:05 |
Any suggestions?
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Peter Morrow (Guest) |
22/08/2025 10:47 |
I think that any suggestions or solutions have now become much more difficult than they were even a couple of years ago, because our society and Church is now so divided that we're all looking in different directions. And this means that luxuries, like, for example, a national Church or a common sense of national and religious identity have gone.
And perhaps the first step is recognising this, and saying some difficult things which are true, but which may be misunderstood.
Specifically, and in the context of the recent surge of patriotism by way of street protest and the flying of flags, the phrase "Britain is a Christian nation" has become as much a political and patriotic statement as a religious one, and that needs clarified. I have absolutely no objection to patriotism, but we need to be clear that 'Christian' means faith in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus for the salvation of our eternal souls, and is not a description of national identity.
Salvation is found in Christ, rather than in national identity. And it's difficult because many people are in two minds - we are British and we are Christian, so we don't like criticising patriotism, and I've lived with this tension all my life. But the word must be sounded clearly that Jesus is King and everything is subject to Him.
But given where we are now, that's a difficult stance to take, and a difficult message to communicate.
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Nick Thompson (Guest) |
23/08/2025 07:16 |
Good point Peter. What I find, living in rural Lincolnshire is that a great many people despite not being what I would call a Christian, holds a deep seated belief in God and Jesus. Indeed sometimes I suspect they challenge us in the hope we will confirm that beluef and go away immensely disappointed when some fail to. I lean towards the idea that as born again spirit filled Christians we are akin to the Levites in Israel and there is a block/mass of people who have a believing covenant loyalty to God and it is those who are compelled to come from the byways and hedgerows to attend the Great Feast. I guess I am saying there is a need for Godly leadership.
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Geoff Lumley (Guest) |
25/08/2025 17:08 |
Yes, Peter Morrow, as a Christian I agree with you. BUT--- we have to be aware of what the protests and the counter-protests are about. Is it the FLAG or is it the CROSS? The reason the Moslem majority areas want the flag removed is because it has the Cross on it. Therefore, if we say "the Flag is unimportant" what they hear is "the Cross is unimportant". So I think we do need to stand for the Flag (i.e. the Cross) when countering other religions objection to it, and also we need to re-educate the English protesters about the meaning of the Cross on the Flag.
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Peter Morrow (Guest) |
25/08/2025 18:27 |
Hi, Geoff, your question is a good one: "Is it the FLAG or is it the CROSS?"
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